Jagdturret
- Thread starter urumomo
- Start date
BeebleBrox
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Apr 9, 2012
- Messages
- 365
Just awesome!
urumomo
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Mar 18, 2013
- Messages
- 6,820
Thank you both , gentleman ;D
Glad ya'll are watching .
I removed the Stick-in-the-Boot TM ;D
... . no man in my squad is to be running about with said things . We are properly equipped !
As you can see , he has additional ammo stows .
The bolt-actions have been replaced with the G-43 and MP-44 throughout .
MP-40 holders remain unchanged other than additional ammo stowage
cleaning-up and opening up , and fixing phalanges :
The MB heads have chin-straps , but the detail only exists at the front so I had to sculpt in the back-side .
The Dragon heads have no chin-straps so they all need to be sculpted in :
And Repeat And Repeat And
Some disparities in scale -
All the guns are the same size across the manufacturers , but Tamiya's stick-grenades and Panzerfaust are much smaller .
The Panzerfaust came in several flavors so I'll give them a pass on that one , but the PotatoMashers are 25% undersize .
MB in yellow styrene :
Much more importantly is the small helmet size .
Tamiya's all about the giant hands and shrunken heads with these guys ...
Why I'm swapping out the two heads with some Hornet ones :
.. .. . Look how much the arm needed to move @ his left elbow to make the pose work : :
( I swear his buddy's hand was the size of his torso OOB ,,, he still needs more work too ) :
He's supposed to have the MG trained flat , but as produced you need to seriously alter one or both hands and arms to make ANY pose with that MG work .
I went with the muzzle slightly upward as it works better , so now I need to build up his right arm where Tamiya thinks the butt-stock is . was . uh ...
- so basically , the Tamiya figs are just templates out of the box ;D
I'm using #2 and #3 in this set and only #2 has a full cranium :
I might replace this guy's head also --- when I get to him : ( # 3 )
.... .. . yeah . I don't think we'll be seeing that half-head again .
Cheers to Half-Head ! We'll not miss you
Hopefully everyone will be ready for a group photo at their posts this weekend .
........ just primer . No paint
Ciao
Glad ya'll are watching .
I removed the Stick-in-the-Boot TM ;D
... . no man in my squad is to be running about with said things . We are properly equipped !
As you can see , he has additional ammo stows .
The bolt-actions have been replaced with the G-43 and MP-44 throughout .
MP-40 holders remain unchanged other than additional ammo stowage
cleaning-up and opening up , and fixing phalanges :
The MB heads have chin-straps , but the detail only exists at the front so I had to sculpt in the back-side .
The Dragon heads have no chin-straps so they all need to be sculpted in :
And Repeat And Repeat And
Some disparities in scale -
All the guns are the same size across the manufacturers , but Tamiya's stick-grenades and Panzerfaust are much smaller .
The Panzerfaust came in several flavors so I'll give them a pass on that one , but the PotatoMashers are 25% undersize .
MB in yellow styrene :
Much more importantly is the small helmet size .
Tamiya's all about the giant hands and shrunken heads with these guys ...
Why I'm swapping out the two heads with some Hornet ones :
.. .. . Look how much the arm needed to move @ his left elbow to make the pose work : :
( I swear his buddy's hand was the size of his torso OOB ,,, he still needs more work too ) :
He's supposed to have the MG trained flat , but as produced you need to seriously alter one or both hands and arms to make ANY pose with that MG work .
I went with the muzzle slightly upward as it works better , so now I need to build up his right arm where Tamiya thinks the butt-stock is . was . uh ...
- so basically , the Tamiya figs are just templates out of the box ;D
I'm using #2 and #3 in this set and only #2 has a full cranium
:I might replace this guy's head also --- when I get to him : ( # 3 )
.... .. . yeah . I don't think we'll be seeing that half-head again .
Cheers to Half-Head ! We'll not miss you
Hopefully everyone will be ready for a group photo at their posts this weekend .
........ just primer . No paint
Ciao
urumomo
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Mar 18, 2013
- Messages
- 6,820
Update .
finally ;D
Stand by for some krappy pics , but they're good enough to communicate what is going on
... and yes , there will be a Panther ( mit 88 8) ) in the dio ...
The gray guy is carrying an MG 42 and an ammo can
.. I should put a wheelbarrow in his hands and fill it with Christmas presents just to confuse ( maybe I do that for the season each year ;D )
There will be two more figs -
The Panther's loader leaning out the rear turret hatch yelling to an infantry at the left rear of the tank .
Also ,
I'll do a building facade along the side where the Panther is over the curb .
The final base needs to be a bit larger ,,, this was just convenient scrap that was available for testing the layout .
I like this as a building reference :
..... . I might make something similar and cast some more from it . ( without the tidy pile of ashlar )
Ciao
finally ;D
Stand by for some krappy pics , but they're good enough to communicate what is going on
... and yes , there will be a Panther ( mit 88 8) ) in the dio ...
The gray guy is carrying an MG 42 and an ammo can
.. I should put a wheelbarrow in his hands and fill it with Christmas presents just to confuse ( maybe I do that for the season each year
;D )There will be two more figs -
The Panther's loader leaning out the rear turret hatch yelling to an infantry at the left rear of the tank .
Also ,
I'll do a building facade along the side where the Panther is over the curb .
The final base needs to be a bit larger ,,, this was just convenient scrap that was available for testing the layout .
I like this as a building reference :
..... . I might make something similar and cast some more from it . ( without the tidy pile of ashlar )
Ciao
urumomo
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Mar 18, 2013
- Messages
- 6,820
More pics ,
Now that my frustration with the camera has passed
the point guard :
All ears for any input !
This is honestly baptism-by-fire for me . ;D . This is the first of any figures I've done .) well , except the Giraffe pilot I never finished ..)
I've been stockpiling people and heads for one dio in the works specifically , but it's time to trot 8)
... getting the correct neck-length seems to be slow-going for me and I'm still iffy on one , maybe two of 'em but not by much .
I replaced and re-posed 7 of the 14 heads .
The one MB set with the 3 guys running is pretty much OOB except for up-armament / re-posed heads, chin-straps
The Dragon figs are actually pretty decent but require a LOT of knife and file work .
Tamiya .
Ah Tamiya .
I have 3 figs from Dragon and Zvezda ( who uses Dragon molds ? ) to produce the additional ones for the Panther ,
Here's the ,, heh heh , heh , Here's the TC Tamiya gives you :
. . . . looks like he came out of a cereal box :
Now that my frustration with the camera has passed
the point guard :
All ears for any input !
This is honestly baptism-by-fire for me . ;D . This is the first of any figures I've done .) well , except the Giraffe pilot I never finished ..)
I've been stockpiling people and heads for one dio in the works specifically , but it's time to trot 8)
... getting the correct neck-length seems to be slow-going for me
and I'm still iffy on one , maybe two of 'em but not by much .I replaced and re-posed 7 of the 14 heads .
The one MB set with the 3 guys running is pretty much OOB except for up-armament / re-posed heads, chin-straps
The Dragon figs are actually pretty decent but require a LOT of knife and file work .
Tamiya .
Ah Tamiya .
I have 3 figs from Dragon and Zvezda ( who uses Dragon molds ? ) to produce the additional ones for the Panther ,
Here's the ,, heh heh , heh , Here's the TC Tamiya gives you :
. . . . looks like he came out of a cereal box :
BeebleBrox
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Apr 9, 2012
- Messages
- 365
Looks promising and what a greate Idea with the wheelbarrow and christmas presents
That Tamiya figure makes me think of Benny Hill!
That Tamiya figure makes me think of Benny Hill!
urumomo
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Mar 18, 2013
- Messages
- 6,820
I've started into the Panther ,
I have the two Tamiya Panther G's to pull from and a set of Tamiya's individual track-links .
She'll have some suspension posed up&down over rubble and the street curb .
But it's always all about the GUN :
I was going to just give her the 75 mm L-100 , but then I started thinking 88 .
I have an 88 L-100 barrel on the way -- - - I ordered it without doing the math : , so it will most likely need to be cut down . We'll see .
... so the turret must be modified .
It will fire the 88mm X 770 mm ( totally invented but quite logical 8) )
First the breech end is lengthened so I can fit it properly :
rear of turret removed :
Using an AM rear hatch ( Artisanmori.web.fc2.com ) that will need further added to negotiate the increased slope of the rear bulkhead :
The turret needed to be legthened out front by 7 mm ( ~ 10" @ scale ) to allow full depression of the breech into the turret basket
... so the forward hatches needed to be moved to allow uninhibited operation regardless of the turret position .
The periscopes will be relocated to the hatches
Only the very lower , outboard corners of the reinforced mantlet need to be trimmed slightly to clear the hatches :
It will also be getting range-finder blisters on the forward flanks
This will be called the Panther K 8) -- and I can't wait to start painting her !! Gonna be super-cool ;D
There's going to be 6 new figures added with the Panther .
Well maybe we call it 5 and a half figs ;D , since you'll only be able to see the TC's left hand and arm and back ..
Ciao
I have the two Tamiya Panther G's to pull from and a set of Tamiya's individual track-links .
She'll have some suspension posed up&down over rubble and the street curb .
But it's always all about the GUN :
I was going to just give her the 75 mm L-100 , but then I started thinking 88 .
I have an 88 L-100
barrel on the way -- - - I ordered it without doing the math : , so it will most likely need to be cut down . We'll see .... so the turret must be modified .
It will fire the 88mm X 770 mm ( totally invented but quite logical 8) )
First the breech end is lengthened so I can fit it properly :
rear of turret removed :
Using an AM rear hatch ( Artisanmori.web.fc2.com ) that will need further added to negotiate the increased slope of the rear bulkhead :
The turret needed to be legthened out front by 7 mm ( ~ 10" @ scale ) to allow full depression of the breech into the turret basket
... so the forward hatches needed to be moved to allow uninhibited operation regardless of the turret position .
The periscopes will be relocated to the hatches
Only the very lower , outboard corners of the reinforced mantlet need to be trimmed slightly to clear the hatches :
It will also be getting range-finder blisters on the forward flanks
This will be called the Panther K 8) -- and I can't wait to start painting her !! Gonna be super-cool ;D
There's going to be 6 new figures added with the Panther .
Well maybe we call it 5 and a half figs ;D , since you'll only be able to see the TC's left hand and arm and back ..
Ciao
urumomo
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Mar 18, 2013
- Messages
- 6,820
I lengthened the base 9 inches to accommodate the action .
Here's the mock-up --
I'll stew on it while I work on the Panther turret ;
There will be 5 figs on the ground to the left of the Panther & the corner of the building with the loader hanging out of the rear hatch shouting down to them ...
Suggestions on any of it are appreciated
........ Oh -- and I guess we should move this thing over to Dio's ???
I'm ambivalent , but I don't feel the need to start another thread for the Panther .
Or should I ?
Does it matter ?
SUNDAY !! SUNDAY !! SUNDAY !!!
STURMSCHILDKROTE
&
PANTHER K
Here's the mock-up --
I'll stew on it while I work on the Panther turret ;
There will be 5 figs on the ground to the left of the Panther & the corner of the building with the loader hanging out of the rear hatch shouting down to them ...
Suggestions on any of it are appreciated
........ Oh -- and I guess we should move this thing over to Dio's ???
I'm ambivalent , but I don't feel the need to start another thread for the Panther .
Or should I ?
Does it matter ?
SUNDAY !! SUNDAY !! SUNDAY !!!
STURMSCHILDKROTE
&
PANTHER K
urumomo
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Mar 18, 2013
- Messages
- 6,820
I'm not planning on any craters in the street .
I've been looking over tons of period streets in Google Images .
I want to do a paved surface , so smooth . no pave-stone .
I see this as a short side/back-street , with the building representing the back end of a large building with a bank as the primary tenant - the windows would begin on the floors above
The plinth with the basement windows will be similar to the previous reference photo , the pilasters will be divided with the large running bond stone ,
like the lower half here :
the fields in between will be plastered brick .
The opposite side of the street has a cafe , hotel rear entrance , tailor ??? , small businesses at street level with wood and glass store-fronts , so there will be a lot of that type of material broken up in the debris ... . signs etc
Not too much mega damage from something like air-raid grande or an artillery barrage . Street fighting with small arms and cannons .
I'm thinking : build the base and the second floor separated .
cast the two to get masters .
add battle damage to the primary
cast another master
add more damage
repeat
........ then I'll have the ability to cast them with varying degrees of injury .
probably make the sections between the pilasters separate pieces . If I just make those 4 zones separate modules , then I can create masters with or without different types of fenestration.
Then build a master for the next floor , taller with different but compatible architecture , done in the same manner .
That way they're interchangeable . Making the ends separate corner pieces allows the thing to be as short or long as needed ..
What da yu think ?
I've been looking over tons of period streets in Google Images .
I want to do a paved surface , so smooth . no pave-stone .
I see this as a short side/back-street , with the building representing the back end of a large building with a bank as the primary tenant - the windows would begin on the floors above
The plinth with the basement windows will be similar to the previous reference photo , the pilasters will be divided with the large running bond stone ,
like the lower half here :
the fields in between will be plastered brick .
The opposite side of the street has a cafe , hotel rear entrance , tailor ??? , small businesses at street level with wood and glass store-fronts , so there will be a lot of that type of material broken up in the debris ... . signs etc
Not too much mega damage from something like air-raid grande or an artillery barrage . Street fighting with small arms and cannons .
I'm thinking : build the base and the second floor separated .
cast the two to get masters .
add battle damage to the primary
cast another master
add more damage
repeat
........ then I'll have the ability to cast them with varying degrees of injury .
probably make the sections between the pilasters separate pieces . If I just make those 4 zones separate modules , then I can create masters with or without different types of fenestration.
Then build a master for the next floor , taller with different but compatible architecture , done in the same manner .
That way they're interchangeable . Making the ends separate corner pieces allows the thing to be as short or long as needed ..
What da yu think ?
urumomo
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Mar 18, 2013
- Messages
- 6,820
;D
Then you're no doubt familiar with the Bronco .
. .. we were puzzled to see them in the hanger-bay .
I went up to vultures row with a couple of guys in my division to watch them take off.
They had no problem getting airborne with plenty of flight-deck remaining . Flank speed into the wind will do that
Sadly , I remember that at least one was lost .
Then you're no doubt familiar with the Bronco .
. .. we were puzzled to see them in the hanger-bay .
I went up to vultures row with a couple of guys in my division to watch them take off.
They had no problem getting airborne with plenty of flight-deck remaining . Flank speed into the wind will do that
Sadly , I remember that at least one was lost .
